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Evidence for God’s existence


Sunday,Jan 28 2007, 03:32:00 PM (Last updated: Sunday,Jan 28 2007, 03:37:53 PM)

Evidence for God’s existence

 

Ok there are three types of evidence or proof:

1.      Mathematical

2.      Scientific

3.      Personal

I’ll deal with all of these in turn, and try and keep it brief, so if you think I’ve not covered anything in enough detail or that due to lack of detail I’m trying to bluff my way though this then please tell me and I’ll write something on that topic that is a lot more detailed.

So then number one, mathematical....

Ok, there isn’t a formula or anything (well not to my knowledge) proving God, this is because with current pure maths, it can only prove something within its domain, and God is out of this world and so not within the mathematical domain, so maths can neither prove nor disprove God with a formula.

So we move onto statistics, which might I say is the most boring part of maths ever, all you do is number crunch, but might I add those numbers are facts and can’t be argued with.

Here is one case:

Researchers in California started out with about 400 patients recovering from heart problems. Half the patients received prayer (from a distance), the other half didn’t. Nobody in either group was told there was any praying going on.

According to Dr. Dale Matthews, a professor at Georgetown Medical School, those patients who were the targets of prayer had half as many complications and they had a lower rate of congestive heart failure than the patients who were not prayed for.

So in number form:

400 patients, 200 being prayed for, 200 thought not to be.

A 50% decrease in problems occurred, which in my opinion is quite a big difference.

Here are two more examples, but I don’t have the exact figures for them so I won’t spend too much time on them.

1.      Lincolnshire police are using prayer to stop crime, and I hear it’s working!

2.      Also remember World War 2? Well we were losing the air battle but then the country was called to pray and the tides turned, hmm interesting thought, WWII won though prayer.

Well now onto science...

Well where do I start this could go on for ages and you would all get board so I’ll just cover a few key points, well one actually, evolution. To start with if you have a Christian friend that tells you that evolution and Christianity walk side by side there wrong! Now I’m not saying that science and Christianity don’t go together, because they do, and I’m going to use science to disprove evolution...yes that’s right I’m going to use science to back up Christianity.

So evolution where to start, well the age of the earth; if the earth is thousands of years old like the bible says then evolution couldn’t happen and you would need a God to make life in that space of time, but if it is millions/billions of years then evolution happened and the bible isn’t correct and so there doesn’t need to be a God.

So why do we think the world is millions/billions of years old? As far as I know it’s mainly down to radiocarbon dating, so I’ll deal with this one.

Did you know that carbon dating can only actually date things that are thousands of years old!? This is due to the fact that carbon dating compares the amount of non- radioactive carbon (carbon 12 - 12C) to radioactive carbon (carbon 14 - 14C), there is science behind it but I won’t go into it. But basically once something dies the ratio between 14C/12C gets smaller and so we have a clock that starts ticking when something dies. But if something ages past something like 50,000 years old, should theoretically have no detectable 14C left, and so can’t possibly give you millions of years let alone billions!

Here are 14 reasons why there is a young earth:

1.      Galaxies wind themselves up too fast.

2.      Too few supernova[1] remnants.

3.      Comets disintegrate too quickly.

4.      Not enough mud on the sea floor.

5.      Not enough sodium in the sea.

6.      The earth’s magnetic field is decaying too fast.

7.      Many strata[2] are too tightly bent.

8.      Biological material decays too fast.

9.      Fossil radioactivity[3]  shortens geologic “ages” to a few years.

10. Too much helium in minerals.

11. Too much carbon 14 in deep geologic strata.

12. Not enough Stone Age skeletons.

13. Agriculture is too recent.

14. History is too short.

As you can see there’s a list of reasons why the earth is younger than what some of the scientists say.

Finally we come to Personal…

Ok we’ve covered math’s and science, but did they really “prove” God, well they might stir thoughts about whether there is a God or not, but if you ask me for me to truly believe in a God I would need to have had an experienced Him for myself, here’s how J. John puts it:

“You can’t prove God by math’s or science it is emotional like a kiss, a kiss can be described as the approach of 2 pairs of lips with a reciprocal transition of microbes and CO2,now if someone said that to their girlfriend they would give them a slap”

And to be honest who could blame them, a kiss is emotional and trying to explain it using science or math’s just degrades it, and makes it seem like a passionless action.

The same is with God, trying to explain God or prove him though science and math’s makes him look like a load of statistics or the result of the young earth. Whereas the fact is God is love(1John 4:8), and as far as I know love is an emotion and so can’t be explained or proved by math’s and science, although they can help, you need to experience it for yourself to truly believe.

If your sat there and are not sure whether God is real or not just say this simple prayer, I mean it’s in your head no one’s going to know, and it might just change your life for the better!!!

“Dear Lord, I don’t know if you exist, but if you do show me that you do.”

Now don’t expect immediate results because God doesn’t work in our time he works in His, but He will answer.

If your sat there think WOW! God is real and I want to experience him and let him into my life then pray a prayer like this one:

“Dear Lord, I know I have done wrong, and thank you that Jesus died on the cross for my sins, please may you forgive me and come into my life.”

See neither of those prayers will take very long to pray, and if you prayed the second one then I would advise you tell someone and ask them what to do next, if there is no one to ask, then my advice would be get yourself a bible and read it, and pray.

Thanks for hanging in there

God Bless

Dave

Acknowledgments:

 This was proof read by: Ashley, charlotte sweetman

http://www.youmeworks.com/sendablessing.html - fact about hospital statistics

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/carbon_dating.asp - carbon dating

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4005.asp - 14 reasons for young earth



[1] When a star explodes

 

[2] Single and distinct layers, or beds of sediment or sedimentary rock that are easily distinguishable from layers above and below them.

 

[3] When a atom or group of atoms is unstable and give of partials, like electrons.

 

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Surely You Jest !!!
2/16/2007 6:59 PM
Steve, 47
Ontario
Canada

The point is that the existence of any god, or gods, is impossible to prove or disprove.
Obviously you're a christian...which is quite contrary to your claim that you are not close-minded. Any christian I have ever met believes that their "faith" is absolutely right and; therefore, all other "faiths" are wrong. That, my friend, is the definition of being close-minded.
I like to remain open-minded enough to believe that anything is possible, including the existence of a "god", but to remain truly open-minded you must also allow that there may not be a "god".
We mere mortals simply don't know...and that is the only REAL TRUTH when considering any "belief-structure" or "faith".
In reality, every "faith" is based on fear, and since I won't allow fear to rule my life, I don't subscribe to any religion in particular...again, another example of being truly open-minded.
If your "faith" comforts you then, by all means, carry on...but if it is only the result of what you have been taught to believe, then I suggest you do some serious thinking of your own.

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Re: Surely You Jest !!!
2/17/2007 8:46 PM
Steve, 47
Ontario
Canada

Actually miracles only prove that strange coincidences happen in this universe. Unless you talk to your "God" (which I think is highly unlikely - unless you're a raving lunatic who claims to hear his voice), you have absolutely no proof whatsoever of "His" existence.
My stance is not based on fear, but purely as a result of remaining open-minded...my son is studying to become a Pastor...so obviously he is a christian. I personally have no problem with that. As a matter of fact, I support his endeavors in every way possible. My comments are not meant to offend you, but simply to have a reasonable discussion about "beliefs".
Now, speaking of beliefs, why do christians believe that all non-christians are wrong? They certainly don't know that Jesus was the son of any god...to know something for a fact is to know it's truth beyond a shadow of a doubt...and very little in this world is truly known beyond a shadow of a doubt. The "truth" about any god is most definitely NOT beyond a shadow of a doubt! Also, doesn't it seem rather silly for christians to even fight amongst themselves? Just look at "Protestants vs. Catholics" to see my point.
I wonuld not go so far as to say no god exists, I am merely pointing out the fact that no human really knows for sure...no human really knows much of anything for sure...especially if you consider how vast the universe is. Since we are mere "specks" in the universe, it only makes sense that we know virtually nothing for sure.
If I have offended you, I apologize. As I said, I am simply trying to have a reasonable discussion about "faith" with you...as a direct result of first noticing your "Blog" and finding it rather interesting.

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Re: Re: Surely You Jest !!!
2/22/2007 2:17 PM
david, 19
Exeter
United Kingdom

Ok I don’t have much time so if this sounds rushed that would be why, some things can’t be coincidence, like people being buried alive and not dieing, cancer randomly disappearing, and having things happen that you didn’t think were possible as a result of praying, escaping from a prison with both legs broken, also evolution couldn’t happen without a God the list goes on, if you want to put these down to chance then well that’s your choice, but in fact there is I limit to what is just a coincidences and what has something powering it, one man made a figger for this, but I don’t have time to look it up, and Jesus and the amount of prophecies he fulfill came into the category of certainty..

And yes Christian do know that Jesus was the son of God, the only way to prove otherwise would be to disprove what the bible says, and so far the only people who have really tried to do that have become a Christian. I know there are theory’s out there about the bible, and to be honest I don’t have time to go over them, but if can wait until after I’ve done my exams I will happily go over them.

And judging a belief on its people isn’t the best idea, because some people will twist and change things, the only way to judge a new belief is to judge its book, i.e. the bible

Ok God doesn’t exist, what have I lost…nothing I’ve just lead I life that was to the max. Lets say god does exist, hey I win again cus I get to go to heaven, so in my opinion thinking there could be a God but not acting on it will result in you possibly losing out.

If u had a chose of a ricody bridge and a concrete one, which would you walk across? The concrete one because it is less likely to collapse, this is how I see Christianity, there are loads of bridges, like evolution, Buddhists, Hinduism, Islam etc. and to me Christianity looks the safest way to get across.

You might think differently but we all die and so we will all walk across a bridge, it’s a matter of how certain you are that your bridge is the right one.

Also I’m sorry if I sounded angry in any of my posts it’s just school work is piling up and so stress levels are higher than normal, I meant no offence I am happy to talk with you about Christianity.

God Bless
Dave

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Re: Surely You Jest !!!
2/17/2007 4:51 PM
david, 19
Exeter
United Kingdom

err atually miricals prove Gods existance, i was going to go into more detail in a reply to your other post but i have alot of work to be doing with school and what not.

and being openminded is knowing what u beleive and but being able to look at what other people think objectiverly and if they do have a valid point then question what your think, phisisits do it all the time, being close minded is like beeing told somthing is true and then putting your finders in your ears and not listening to what others say about what you think, i don't do that.

and i do wonder somthimes if there is a God, but i haven't heard any evidence that disproves it and so much to prove it.

and my faith isn't baised on fear it's based on love, quite the oposit to what you say.

and not conforming to any religion or stance on the subject isn't being open minded, in my opinion it's because your scared of being wrong, or what the conciquences of the other person being right, i base this on experiance and i apreshiate you might not fall into this catagory.

and whats the point of not taking a side, your not going to find out your wrong if you don't.

i would post more but like i say i don't have much time, when i get more time i'll post some more

God Bless
Dave

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Proof??? Surely you jest!!!
2/2/2007 6:22 PM
Steve, 47
Ontario
Canada

WOW!!! You presented the same old arguments for the existence of "God" that have been used repeatedly by christians for years, and still managed to accomplish the same as your predecessors...NOTHING!!!
The only thing you've proven is that you're gullible.
Do you believe in the Easter Bunny too???

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Re: Proof??? Surely you jest!!!
2/3/2007 6:04 PM
david, 19
Exeter
United Kingdom

Well what would you say evidence is, and also I’d like to hear evidence that proves God CAN'T exist.

I mean I’m not closed minded if u wish it disprove what I say do it and I’ll chance it accordingly

And miracles happen that can't be stopped nor disproved, and there is no counter evidence for them.

Dave

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